More critical thoughts on America’s proxy war [American politics #7]

Ted Grimsrud—October 5, 2023

[Early in 2022, after Russia greatly accelerated its military engagement with Ukraine, I wrote  several blog posts and then some shorter posts on Facebook  with my reflections. After many months, I decided to re-engage these issues as the war continues unabated. I posted several times recently on Facebook and consolidated those into a blog post, “And they call it democracy…. Critical thoughts on America’s proxy war.” Here are a couple more posts.]

History may not repeat itself but at times it sure rhymes (9.22.23)

I recently read a book from the late 1970s, The Washington Connection and Third World Fascism, by Noam Chomsky and Edward Herman. It is a detailed report on the carnage visited on various countries around the world (e.g., Indonesia, Thailand, the Dominican Republic, and—especially—Vietnam) by the American Empire in the 1960s and 1970s. The section on Vietnam especially caught my attention as I thought of America’s involvement in the current Russia/Ukraine war.

On the surface, the differences between the Vietnam War back then and the current war in Ukraine are obvious and significant. Back then, it was the US invading Vietnam with hundreds of thousands of our troops; now, we are mainly only offering military aid (no troops) to Ukraine as it is invaded by Russia.

However, I find it instructive to think of a few of the similarities. With the Vietnam War, the US military planners well knew by 1965 that it was a war they could not win. From that point on until the final withdrawal ten years later, the US pursued extraordinarily destructive military operations for purposes entirely separate from actually defeating their Vietnamese enemies. It was clear during that entire time that eventually the war would end with a US defeat. So, why did they continue? It had to do with broader American “strategic interests” in the world and with American “prestige.”

Is the same kind of dynamic present in our current conflict? The much-heralded Ukrainian “counteroffensive” seems not only to have failed; it seems quite likely that the US/NATO leaders who pushed for that effort knew it would fail from the beginning. Why would they do this? It is hard to imagine an alternative to the reality that it’s about “strategic interests” and “prestige” that have absolutely nothing to do with the wellbeing of the Ukrainian people.

In a cutting commentary titled “U.S. Can’t Deal with Defeat,” Michael Brenner, a professor of international affairs at the University of Pittsburgh, points to a parallel between Vietnam and the present in the way the U.S. practices denial in face of defeat (see link in the Comments below). This dynamic of denial led to the decade-long extension of an unwinnable war in Vietnam with unmeasurable cost to the people of Vietnam—and seems to be leading to the continuation of the present war with its horrendous costs to the people of Ukraine.

Brenner, though, does point to one difference between these two wars. “The US was fortunate, in the case of Vietnam, that the United States’ dominant position in the world outside of the Soviet Union and China allowed it to maintain respect, status, and influence. Things have changed, though. The US relative strength in all domains is weaker, strong centrifugal forces around the globe are producing a dispersion of power, will, and outlook among other states. The BRICS phenomenon is the concrete embodiment of that reality.”

This kind of imperial overreach is coming at the worst time imaginable for the United States. The double crises of the climate catastrophe and the presence of the Trumpian Right require the country’s best energies. Instead, we get this disaster in Ukraine. President Biden obviously is getting little if any popularity bump from his support for this war and it is hard to imagine, if the Ukrainian War continues on its current path, he won’t suffer politically. This would be welcome except the only alternative to the warist Democrats right now are the anti-democratic forces that Trump represents.

Instead of democracy’s best efforts, what we get instead is a morally bankrupt, militarily inept, and politically self-destructive commitment to an unnecessary war that we can’t win in our quest to take down Russian and Chinese “enemies” who actually are not our enemies. The complete unity of the Democratic Party and the mainstream media in supporting this madness is not a sign that those of us who oppose the war should rethink our views. Rather, it is a grim reminder of the profound self-destruction of the American Empire as it reaps the consequences of its long process of seeking dominance rather than a genuinely peaceable world.

There’s money to be made in losing wars (10.5.23)

It appears that what we are seeing in the Ukraine War right now is something new in the American way of war. A recent New York Times article, misleadingly entitled, “Who’s gaining ground in Ukraine? This year, no one,” actually documents how the much-hyped Ukrainian counteroffensive has *lost* territory. A better headline would have been, “The Ukrainian counteroffensive is actually losing ground.”

However, American leaders are undaunted in their support for pouring more and more weapons into this doomed war—regardless of the cost to the Ukrainian people whose country is being destroyed in order to save it and regardless of the cost to the American taxpayers. If both political parties support such policies and if the mainstream media mainly simply echoes what the policymakers say, then how can such craziness be stopped?

There are people who are clearly benefiting from this disastrous war—the arms profiteers and their bought political operatives. The political support is bipartisan. As reported by the Sri Lankan blogger, Indi, Republican Mitch McConnell sings praises to the war: “We haven’t lost a single American in this war. Most of the money we spend related to Ukraine is actually spent in the US, replenishing weapons, more modern weapons. So, it’s actually employing people here and improving our own military for what may lie ahead.”

From the other side of the aisle, Democrat Senator Richard Blumenthal echoes the praise: “Even Americans who have no particular interest in freedom and independence in democracies worldwide should be satisfied that we’re getting our money’s worth on our Ukraine investment.”

What is new in this current situation is the willingness of leaders to be so straightforward. We are fueling this conflict that is only making life worse with no hope of success at great expense during a time when so many needs in our country are going unmet because it is making money for our weapons makers. What a great investment! Such honesty has rarely been expressed in America’s past military interventions.

This is Indi’s summary: “This is the great innovation of American Empire. They have figured out that there’s more money in *losing* wars. American oligarchs have figured out how to loot their own treasury, make the world less secure, and make a killing doing it. America has run this con in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc., and faced no consequences. The same politicians keep getting elected, the same arms dealers cycle in and out of government office, the same columnists keep inciting the violence. As much as they fail, they can only fall upwards.”

Of course, these war failures are not losses for the folks who actually matter in the decision-making: the corporate merchants of death. The only possible way to imagine the US military acting sincerely on behalf of democracy and freedom (as is claimed) would be if we somehow had a non-profit war system.

It is becoming more and more clear that the US/NATO motivations for intensifying the war in Ukraine never had anything to do with the wellbeing of the Ukrainian people. The unanimity of the American political establishment in favor of more war should be seen as an extraordinary act of self-condemnation that exposes it as corrupt to the core. How can the American people possibly take these leaders seriously?

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4 thoughts on “More critical thoughts on America’s proxy war [American politics #7]

  1. Once again, a long commentary on the Ukraine war without a single Ukrainian voice. And without the slightest acknowledgement that Ukrainians even have a voice or agency in an existential conflict in their own homeland.

    Would you write about the Holocaust without including any Jewish voices? Or the genocide waged against American Indians in the 19th Century without including any Native American voices?

    Make no mistake. The war that Russia is waging in Ukraine is every bit as genocidal as those two conflicts. It meets every definition of genocide as defined by the 1948 UN Convention on Genocide.

    1. There’s no Russian voice either. He’s stating his conclusions and provided some evidence. He’s not denying that the Russian actions are criminal and horrible. This is the pattern in war after war. Those calling for peace are always charged with representing the “enemy” even though they don’t usually align with that country or force, and favor the peace movement and war resistance in that country.

      1. But I don’t see a single call for peace anywhere in Ted’s essay either. Or even any attempt to define what peace means in this context or what such a peace would even look like.

        All I see is a call for American disengagement which is not at all the same thing as peace in Ukraine. Will American disengagement bring peace any closer? Maybe. Will it bring about a longer and more expansive war in Europe? That’s possible also.

        There are plenty of other actors allied with Ukraine and opposed to Russia. The three Baltic states and four Nordic on the Russian border alone have a combined GDP that exceeds that of Russia. And they are far more invested in opposing Russian aggression the US is. And that is before we even look at Poland, Germany, Italy, France, etc. One could easily argue (and many do) that US disengagement will simply lead to a longer and bloodier war and far more conflict on the continent.

  2. I’ve been hoping that you might have some helpful guidance toward HOW peace might be attained in the Ukraine/Russia war, Ted. It might not “land” on the desks of those most directly involved in potentially pushing for it. But it might provide useful ideas and information for us lay people to at least pass along or push for with our elected reps or other officials. (I have written or called my congressional reps and others on several occasions; and I’m actively advocating for “deliberative democracy”, with electoral reform as one aspect.)

    I have followed the situation some since about 2013, partly via a Ukrainian acquaintance who spoke about it; returned briefly to Ukraine about 2015, during military conflict in eastern Ukraine. After this she shared more.

    I’ve followed it much closer since around January, 2022 (pre-massive-invasion). Until recently, with your articles and now several by Caitlin Johnstone and one interview with Noam Chomsky, plus a couple with Scott Ritter (who I realize you don’t follow, but who stands roughly where Johnstone does, it seems), I hadn’t followed much from the critical-of-US/NATO position.

    What I’m NOT seeing from you OR the others is perhaps as significant as what I am…. There are valid points of critique presented, along with some that don’t seem to me to have substance or be accurate. Evidence has not been presented for them, to be convincing to me. A bit more context before saying what else I do not see…

    I realize that you do not excuse Russian aggression nor justify THEIR militarism either. You say little about that because your focus is on American imperialism, war profiteering, etc. (We here are, for sure, better equipped to know about the American aspect than the Russian.) Although your treatment overall seems to me a bit unbalanced, and lacking important nuance, and thus not as persuasive as I could potentially find it, I think I understand why you present what you do, in the manner you do.

    Now, Kent has put some of my thoughts on “missing” content better than I can, so I’ll quote him:
    “All I see is a call for American disengagement which is not at all the same thing as peace in Ukraine. Will American disengagement bring peace any closer? Maybe. Will it bring about a longer and more expansive war in Europe? That’s possible also.”

    So that’s one thing needing more attention, not just by you, Ted, but by us all, and in critiques by others. I do think that a cessation of all US aid other than perhaps humanitarian or for rebuilding infrastructure, buildings, etc., could prove to increase rather than decrease human suffering.  And that’s regardless of the political aspects of “psychological” suffering, such as involving national sovereignty, freedoms, etc. (I DO include loss of homes, livelihood, life or limbs, family and friends to the violence, as “human suffering” in the most basic of terms..) The main reason it seems quite possible to increase suffering is that it strongly appears most Ukrainians will NOT readily allow further overtaking or ongoing occupation of Ukrainian territory… at the least, that not already taken by Russia before Feb, 2022. And that regardless of the level of arms or other support they get or don’t get from other nations…. And, importantly, such support they immediately sought, and now continually have been requesting, urgently… and not just Zelensky.

    Also, can you suggest how any of us can legitimately get involved toward attaining peace in and for Ukraine and Russia right now? Can/should we push for a more neutral national arbitrator than is the USA or any NATO nation (other than perhaps Turkiye/Turkey)? If so, which nation or agency or person?  

    Finally, as to your next-to-concluding sentence (below), it is very difficult to know motivations with any kind of certainty… perhaps why you may be leaving in some uncertainty by saying “more and more clear…” 
    “It is becoming more and more clear that the US/NATO motivations for intensifying the war in Ukraine never had anything to do with the wellbeing of the Ukrainian people.” Even if that is fully true for our leadership, it definitely is not true for the tens of thousands (or more) of Ukrainians living in the US or elsewhere outside Ukraine, and for others who support their self-defense efforts out of genuine compassion.
     
    Your final sentence:
    “The unanimity of the American political establishment in favor of more war should be seen as an extraordinary act of self-condemnation that exposes it as corrupt to the core. How can the American people possibly take these leaders seriously?” There can be little question that our leadership, in both major parties, plus most “independents” and some “third parties”, is way too prone to war, and way too oriented to spending for (and profiteering) off them. There ARE ways to elect and hold accountable leaders who will be less warmongering and actually peace-promoting! 

    Of course it’s not easy. However, if we citizens do not inform ourselves and actively work for certain key, feasible electoral reforms, or at least support major efforts such as the Forward “Party” (actually more a non-party), then even not taking them seriously does no good whatsoever. (Note I am not promoting any “third party”, including Forward… those have never and probably will never bring any significant change.) 

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